63 | Kyle Kazan, CEO, Glass House Group

“We’re working with a woman who has spent quite a bit of her time and money to help people that are in federal prison for violating the same crime that I violate every single day — to get them out of prison. And so we’re going to sponsor some people to not only try and get them out of prison, but once they’re out to sponsor them for at least a year with a job and housing.”

— Kyle Kazan

Kyle Kazan took a winding route to the executive suite of Glass House Group, his California cannabis company. As a basketball player at USC, he honed his competitive edge and learned how to do things right; as a teacher and police officer, he saw the real needs of individuals and communities. Then he went into real estate and earned the trust of other investors, before he finally entered the cannabis business.  Listen and learn how:

    • Being a police officer in Los Angeles gave him insight into the war on a drugs.
    • He decided to that Glass House Group should own its assets, and has built a vertically integrated, seed-to-serve business that owns farms, production facilities, brands and dispensaries.
    • He has committed Glass House to social equity, with an internship program for disadvantaged youth, and sponsorships for individuals who were incarcerated for cannabis violations.
    • He learned about dabbing through his 20-year old son.


Transcript of Podcast with Kyle Kazan

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Kannaboom (00:00): The Glass House Group is a vertically integrated California-based cannabis company with seed-to-shelf offerings. They grow, process, market and sell a variety of cannabis products under several different brands and even operate their own dispensaries. While some of the big-money players are still on the sidelines, Glass House has had real success already. And one of the things that makes them really different and interesting is their commitment to social justice. That starts at the top with our guest today, Kyle Kazan. He is co founder, CEO and chairman of the Glass House Group. Early in his career. Kyle was a police officer in Southern California. In one year, he even led the department in drug arrests. What he saw and learned in this job led him to later get involved in LEAP, Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. We discuss this and his path to launching Glass House, where he promotes diversity with an internship program and a commitment to hiring minorities that extends all the way up to the C suite. If you're interested in what's really working in the cannabis business right now from the chief executive's perspective, I think you'll really enjoy this episode. Also, please stop and see us at Kannaboom with a k dot com. We are focused on how cannabinoids and CBD can help you achieve better wellness and importantly, how to find CBD that's trusted and reliable. If you do like the podcast, please subscribe and please leave a review so other people can find the show. And here's my interview with Kyle Kazan

Kannaboom (01:14): Cannabis is booming and Kannaboom is on it. Welcome to the Kannaboom podcast, where we interview experts on the changing story of humans, health and hemp from San Diego. Here's your host, Tom Stacey.

Kannaboom (01:26): It's Tom. Welcome back to the cannabis podcast today. We have Kyle Kazan, CEO of the Glass House Group. Hey Kyle, how are you?

Kyle Kazan (01:33): Good, Tom. How are you doing?

Kannaboom (01:34): Really good. Thanks. I thought it was interesting that early in your career, you were in law enforcement and you came away with a perspective on the war on drugs, and you got involved with LEAP.

Kyle Kazan (01:46): I did. After my career in law enforcement, I I became not only a member, but a speaker for, for LEAP.

Kannaboom (01:54): What compelled you, what did you see in your law enforcement career that made you want to take a stand against the war on drugs?

Kyle Kazan (02:00): I would tell you the characteristics I've had. I was a college athlete. I really try hard to, to be the best at whatever I do. So when I became a police officer, you know, it was crystal clear very quickly that the best police officers out there are the ones that are hooking and booking and are, you know, finding criminals and taken to jail. So you're looking for law violators trying to take guns off the street, things like that. And the low-hanging fruit where you know, people in possession of drugs, mainly methamphetamine, but, you know crack, heroin, powder, cocaine, things like that. And so over two, six-month periods out of my five years. So one year out of my five years, I led the department in felony and misdemeanor arrests. And so primarily that was for drug usage. And then I would raise it up to drug sales by, you know, getting them to share with me who, to who to go after. And so I got so heavy into it at first, I felt really good about what I was doing. And then as I got to know the people, because they were, you know, basically repeat offenders, I got to know them and they became informants. And I started learning about their lives and realized, you know, these people are hurting themselves. They really shouldn't be. I mean, I, I have a badge and a gun and I'm here to help, help stop people getting victimized, their property and their person not stopping you from hurting you because as I'm as I was doing it, and I've been a registered libertarian since I was 18, I'm sitting there going — and your listeners that are going, wait, you didn't, you didn't know that going in with your perspective. And I would tell you, I didn't put it together. And I would say during the course of my career, I became more and more disenchanted with that and then focused more on gang members and things like that. But and then, you know, I left in 1999, January 99, and I joined LEAP somewhere around 2008. But by the time I got to 2008, I literally was just asked by some friends, what do you think of the American drug war? And I said, "It is a complete joke. It's awful. It just does harm, it's bad." And that's where they introduced me to leave them like everything that they stood for and still do, and still do some speaking on there.

Kannaboom (04:30): Well, and this whole topic has been in the headlines all this year, as we now have more of an appreciation for police officers and what they do and what they should be doing. And a lot of times dealing with drugs is maybe a distraction from real crime.

Kyle Kazan (04:43): I think if you watch the there's a great TV show, you're probably familiar with it back in the early two thousands called The Wire. It shows you what a, I mean, look, it's just a stupid game and it's being played by good people on all sides. And you may say, well, they're bad people because they're breaking the law. You know, it's just a game. And and, and I'll bring up some timely Breonna Taylor, if, if we had a legal regulated market for drugs, and by the way, I know some of your listeners are like, what the hell is this guy talking about? Why aren't you talking about cannabis? But I would tell you legalizing, regulating drugs is the least-worst option. There's no great option here because you know, drugs, alcohol, that there are some core side effects that come with it. I actually almost take cannabis completely out of that, but when it comes to that, you know, the police officers, if they weren't serving a search warrant into that unit, none of that, the officer wouldn't have been shot. Breonna Taylor wouldn't have been shot. Bullets wouldn't have gone into a neighboring apartment and we're doing this for drugs. And so on that level, I'm hoping that we start shining a light right now, the lights going all different ways. But if we look at the core root cause of that situation, it's the war on drugs and the core root cause of a mistrust of black and brown communities with law enforcement is the war on drugs. And I think it's the second worst policy the United States ever had. Second, only to slavery.

Kannaboom (06:15): Eventually you came around to the cannabis industry, you were in real estate for a while, and then brought your energy into the cannabis industry. And I think you said something interesting there in that cannabis itself is it's an herb, some people don't even consider it a drug.

Kyle Kazan (06:30): It's, it's hard not to consider it. It depends how you define ‘drug.’ I mean, I use it as opposed to Advil. I use it for anti-inflammation and a lot of drugs are herb-based. So but nobody, there's not one recorded case of an overdose from that herb or drug, however you want to call it. But I'm a huge proponent of, of the medicinal aspects. And quite frankly, if you want to use it to alter your consciousness, I'm good with that too. As long as you're not driving,

Kannaboom (07:03): Being in the business, how do we begin to dismantle the war on drugs? Banking is still an issue. Interstate commerce. It's a very complex matrix of problems. Where do you think we start?

Kyle Kazan (07:14): Tom, we've, we've already started. And I'm, I'm really excited. It's, it's not where we need to go. We're going to both agree on or agree to that, but we're better than we've ever been. Well, since the war on drugs began, since we made cannabis, illegal people are still being arrested, which needs to stop. But to me, that's my, the, the first focus is let's stop putting people in jail for this let's start expunging records. Let's do that. And it's happening. It's just not happening at the pace that it should be. But I think momentum is picking up. And I think that you're right, we don't have banking, that's a pain in the neck and there's all kinds of problems. I try and take the positive side of this and say again, where it's as good as it's ever been. It's getting better. We, the more that this industry continues to grow and, and the money side, the money side matters because that's what flips both Democrats and Republicans to being in favor if they're unions, teachers, firefighters, police, they're getting paid from the taxes. And once that happens, you look at Colorado. I know Cory Gardner personally, he has to be in favor of cannabis because if that money went away, boy, what a, what a fiasco would be for the Colorado economy and government. And so the more that happens, I think the more good things happen and you see, we have ballot measures, I think said Kentucky, how Alabama or Kentucky one, whichever one is not legal is going to be on the ballot. We're seeing it happen more and more. But, as far as if you, if you go down the list, you brought up safe banking, that should happen. Eventually it will happen. And what can we do? I think, I think what you're doing is great. You're getting, you're putting the word out. I try and do the same thing as cannabis, there's far more positives than negatives.

Kannaboom (09:18): And I think people misunderstand, it's not a binary thing where you -- a state flips and then it's all great. You're in LA, I'm in San Diego. We both know California has a lot of work to do; the legacy market here still commands the majority of cannabis sales. I believe you talk about tax revenues. There's a lot, that's still on the table. We haven't brought those people in yet. So it's an ongoing thing. It'll take some time.

Kyle Kazan (09:40): You know, Tom, I was a, I get asked all the time, you know, what happened with California and why is it an example from states looking to legalize to not be like California? And, and I said, look, you know, as a native Californian, very proud of my state, you know, I love my state. I love the fact that cannabis and California are pretty symbiotic, more so than any other state or region in the world. But we, you know, there has been a multigenerational illicit market here. And I don't think we've done a good job to try and make it accessible to the legal market. And I think as you said, it's gonna take some time. It's gonna take some effort. Hopefully the taxes become a little bit more reasonable. But eventually just like I'm sure after 1933, when prohibition of alcohol ended, I'm sure there were all kinds of issues, but I don't know what they are, but I can't imagine it was just smooth. And, and so bumps, I think, are to be expected,

Kannaboom (10:50): Tell us about the Glass House Group and what you guys are doing. What I noticed from the website is how vertically integrated you are.

Kyle Kazan (10:57): Yeah. You know what, the only reason, you know, let's talk, let's talk, the Glass House Group that it's better to be lucky than good, because that's the only reason we're still standing here today. And so many of our you know, so many of the other companies out there and we cheer for all they, you know, some went very asset light, said, "Hey, I'm going to go build a brand." others said, "Hey, we were able to raise some money. Let's really stretch it. And we'll we'll lease, or we'll take some very hard money loans." because of my previous successes in real estate, I had a lot of investors ready to come aboard and we bought our assets, you know, so the closest dispensary we have to is Bud and Bloom and Santa Ana in Orange County. And we bought the real estate too. So we don't have a landlord charging us exorbitant rates. And and then our grows up in Santa Barbara County, have we have two grow totaling, 500,000 square feet of greenhouse, really high tech. And we were lucky. We, we followed Dutch farmers. We bought everything for cash and fixed them up. And so we're not as big as we could, but we vertically integrated and we did it to keep our costs low. And that has allowed us to not only survive, but, you know, we are cash flow positive. And, and by the way, we pay everybody $15 an hour. We were working very hard and we should have within a month or two to make sure that every full time employee has a basic paid-for healthcare. So we're trying to do things. We feel we have a responsibility being in the cannabis industry, given the history of cannabis and that we need to do things better. And we're working with a woman who she has spent quite a bit of her time and money to help people that are in federal prison for violating the same crime that I violate every single day to get them out of prison. And so we're going to sponsor some people to not only try and get 'em out of prison, but once they're out to sponsor them for at least a year with a job and housing. So, we feel like we have a responsibility to do more. And at the same time to produce the best possible cannabis we can at the best possible pricing. And so we're really proud of what we grow in our greenhouse. And we're, we're proud that it's ocean air from Santa Barbara, beautiful sunlight. We recycle our water. We really try and do things the right way. It's, you know, yes, profit matters too. You know, all of our team members and to our investors to hopefully build an asset value, but not at the cost of doing things the right way by the, by our consumers or patients by our team members, our employees, by our investors and by the planet.

Kannaboom (13:54): There's a lot there. And I want to congratulate you on being sort of the bridge between the mom and pops, you know, the hippie crowd and the corporations, Coca Cola is not going to get into this until the regulatory environment is a little more clear, big business doesn't like uncertainty, but you had investors who trusted you enough to say, yeah, let's, let's go for this. That's a big step. And those social equity pieces of it, I think has to be part of anyone going forward, who wants to do this, as you say, in the right way, sponsoring people, maybe giving people, communities who have been underserved or, or worse an opportunity to prosper in this new market.

Kyle Kazan (14:35): You know, Tom, one of the things that I'm going to be challenging, Coca-Cola, first of the cannabis companies out there, because I think we have a bigger responsibility than Coca Cola or Amazon, but I do think they also have. And, and I played basketball in college for a now a Hall of Fame coach named George Raveling. And George Raveling was on the Tim Ferriss show during the unrest. And he said, you know, we need to commit to being an agent for change no matter who you are, whether you're black, white, Asian, doesn't matter, you need to commit to being an agent for change. And one of the things I want to challenge other companies is for one, you know, 1% of your workforce, we're about 300 people. So that'd be three people to do a paid internship, to, you know, the, the most vulnerable, the, the weakest socioeconomic area and go get and give some paid internships. The reason you have to do paid internships is because those folks they're getting a job to make money. And so they won't be able to accept an internship unless you do that. And most importantly, make sure that the C suite is part of this, because this is, this is how you take kids. You know, my son, my two boys, they spend time with a CEO. They understand my thinking. They understand how to interact with executives, the executives, the company come by the house. They come by the office. And so two kids, when I was an inner city school teacher after college for four years in South Central, the lives, the life that my students were living, the life that my children live are two different. And the big word that we hear today is privilege. And that's the way to help bridge that gap is to make sure that the next generation gets a ladder into the C suite. So at least they see a world that they're not used to. And I'll tell you, Tom, when I was a school teacher, I taught with the best and worst. It was a dumping ground for teachers that were all burned out. And it was also a place where the most motivated would go. And we used to take our kids every two to three months, several, several classrooms, you know, like three or four other teachers, we would commit to a Saturday and we would take our kids out for a, a day at the beach. And what's amazing is in South Central Los Angeles are 15 minutes, 20 minutes away from the beach. And I would say 70% of the kids had never even seen it. And so, and so one of my students reached out to me and basically said, what a big impact those outings had on him. And so to me, I thought, how can we do this in a business so that you take some high school kids and you say, look, come look at what a C suite looks like, come look, and, and set your goals. We all start doing crappy jobs. Hopefully I was, I worked at McDonald's. I may have made your big Mac sometime ago. But at the end of the day, I always knew where I wanted to go. My dad started a company, was the CEO of it and took it public on NASDAQ. So I had access and I was really privileged to that was where, what I aspire to do, how do we bridge that? And I think those communities that are lower on the socioeconomic economic pole, we need to make sure we extend that ladder to those people to go all the way to the top. And I think if every company in America said, I'm just going to do it, we're going to do 1%, pay $15 bucks an hour to these kids and make sure that they get some real time and real access to the C suite as part of learning business. I think, I think you might find there's a wonderful generation of people that otherwise wouldn't have dreamt as big.

Kannaboom (18:28): Well, and you talk about the war on drugs and, you know, again, The Wire, in communities finding that they don't have options and here you are showing them an option and nurturing them along the way, you know, that's internally, but as you serve your customers, it seems that you're thinking along those lines too, because you have several different brands, right? For different demographics.

Kyle Kazan (18:48): We do. The Glass House Farms is our staple brand. That's we just came out with a Grower's Choice, a little bit more expensive, but we have some limited runs that we get. We have some, some people that are deep into the industry and have been kind of how we call them originals. And they have access to some really cool strains. And so some of those, when they grow, especially our folks at the farm, and we have some, we have some growers who have been growing for 25 years. And so when they pick, we picked some, we're putting him specially in jars and I'll tell ya, I'm an active, I'm an active user, myself, really, really proud of that. And it's one of the, I'm sure other brands would do the same, but we'll give a full money-back guarantee if you're not happy with your product. Number one, want to know why but two we'll stand behind you. And we really want you to have a good experience with our product and know that, you know, all this doesn't just go for us. But as you, as you know, Tom we in California and cannabis are faced with the highest testing standards of any ag product in any state. I mean, I actually own some pecan orchards in Southern Georgia. We it's a joke compared to what we have to deal with in cannabis. But I look at that as a great challenge. And it's great for the consumer because when you buy for the legal market, you know, you're getting the best. It's not just me. There's, you know, you know, all the other brands out there too. And when you, and so I'm just super, super excited. Another one is Field. I don't know if you do concentrates, Tom. I, I, wasn't a dabber, but I'll tell you what, when you open up and again, field, I really love, there's also some other great concentrate brands out there too. But when you really especially live rosin, which has made without any solvents and I, and I'm hoping that people learn more and more about distillate, resonant, rosin to find out, you know, about the differences of them. But when you smell the flower and it's been concentrated and you do a little dab, man, I will tell you, and I'm not your typical dab profile, you know, a 53 year old guy, but I love dabbing a Field.

Kannaboom (20:55): I'm going to have to try that. Honestly, dabbing has scared me a little, I mean, anything with a blowtorch, I kind of don't want to get involved with, but yeah.

Kyle Kazan (21:05): Puffco has something that doesn't require a blowtorch. It's got a little it's, it's got a little porcelain cup. And so I have to, I have to admit, I have a 20-year old son who has a card. He has a medicinal card. So we're not violating any law, he sorta my dab butler, he's in college and we share it together. So he sorta tees it up, but there's no flame involved.

Kannaboom (21:30): When you were a law enforcement officer, did you ever dream, you would be doing dabs with your son?

Kyle Kazan (21:36): When I was a law enforcement officer. I didn't know what dabs were. And I didn't have a son. I have no children. But, the fair answer is absolutely not. And I'll admit some on your show that I haven't admitted publicly. I did, you know, I was, I always hate hypocrites that say, you know, whether the Republican or Democrat, you know, like Nancy Pelosi and her hair, that bothers me. It's like, look, you're you make the law, you enforce the law, follow the law, just, you know, if other people don't, they do that at their peril, but you shouldn't. And so when I was a police officer, the only time I smoked marijuana was when I was in Amsterdam, on my, on as part of my honeymoon with my wife and my wife called me out. And I said, look, I played blackjack in Las Vegas. It's not legal in California at the time. And so, but, to answer your question straight forward no, I didn't see myself ever getting in this industry. In fact, even when I was pushing for legalization, like can Prop 19 and in 2011 still, and I was getting calls from people asking me to invest. And I just said, 'Nah, that's not, for me.' Only as the movement got forward, I met more people. And then I, and also I was — after my police career — I started using cannabis more and I just had learned a lot more through the process with LEAP. And so it was a progression. So, it's a windy, crazy life I've lived so far and I feel extremely fortunate, but, that was an extremely long answer for, 'no way.'

Kannaboom (23:16): Well, I'm with you. I mean, I didn't touch cannabis for a couple of decades until I really realized it is a legitimate medicine. My brother had epilepsy, sadly. He passed away because of, I believe the pharmaceuticals that were too hard on his body. And last week I talked with Kyle Turley, played in the NFL and he says cannabis saved his life. So I think as you say that we're continuing to see the stigma fall back and people realize that, remember the old commercials, "This is your brain, this is your brain drugs." Those were very effective at scaring our generation away. I'm 60 and there's more boomers coming back now, probably not dabbing yet, but maybe we'll give it a try. But you know, I like topicals. I like edibles when I can't sleep, I take a five-milligram edible and it works like a charm. I'm not, you know, I don't know of a hangover. I'm not risking anything the way you are with some pharmaceuticals. So I think as more and more people find that out, we're going to have broader acceptance. And I believe it's on the ballot this fall in five, five or six states.

Kyle Kazan (24:22): Can I ask, what is, what is your edible of choice if you don't mind sharing

Kannaboom (24:28): Kanha. They have a nice indica that comes in a 10-milligram gummy. And I split one with my wife and we both sleep very well

Kyle Kazan (24:39): Outstanding, by the way. That's one of my favorite things to do with dabbing is if I go a little bit stronger, I brush my teeth. I, you know, now he's had like two old guys talking brush my teeth you know, dental floss. And then my son and I will dab and within 15 minutes or so, I just drift asleep.

Kannaboom (24:58): It's nice. And it's not an Ambien or something. Right. You know, a lot of people who have been socially drinking for a couple of decades, you start to get concerned about your liver or other things. And you know, here's an herb that as you said, has never killed anybody and it's proven safe. So I think more and more people are finding that out.

Kyle Kazan (25:16): And, and Tom, you know, you and I, you know, being in that same sort of generation, you know, I live in a, I live in a city called or an area called Palos Verdes. And it's affluent, it's affluent, a lot of older folks like you know, when I say older, you know, 40, 50, 60, 70s, and I find that there's, there's canna curiosity. And what gets them over is when people start talking about pain and inflammation, and even we talk about COVID where you have the cytokine storm. And I, you know, my brother is a doctor and we talk about inflammation is one of the main problems. Now I'm not going to, you know, go out on a limb and say that it will stop it. But I believe that, I mean, we have a CBD tincture. I take it four times a day because I like my inflammation down and take maybe if, if, if unfortunately get COVID, it might give me a better outcome. And so far we've seen it with people in our company that have used it completely anecdotal. But I point to either our product or Papa and Barkley, or Mary's Medicinals as a great starting place, because, you know, face it as you get older. You know, you, you, you deal with pain a little bit more and why take an Advil when that can damage your kidneys? Why take opioids when you could get addicted to it? Why take, and I'll, I'll share this with you. My wife has had both of her knees partially replaced the second time. The first time she didn't want to take Norco. So she took our very strong CBD, which is low-THC, not hemp, but low. And she found great relief from it. So the second time she went to St. John's Hospital in Santa Monica, they were gonna, they told her they were going to hook up an opioid pump for five days to just release opioids into her body. And she said, no way, I don't want it. When she told the nurse that, the anesthesiologist came in and said, "You know my wife's name is Diane. "You Know, Diane, this is major surgery." She goes, no, I had it. She goes, "Well, what are you going to take?" And she said, "I'm going to take CBD." And the woman was saying, "Alright, I need to understand more why you would do this." And that's all my wife took was, was our Glass House Wellness, which is the same as our Mama Sue's brand, but it was just tinctures and it, and she found great relief. If you take a little bit, you know, more than a dropper, it will get you high. And, and you know, when you're in serious pain, it's not the worst thing. And also to help you go to sleep. So I'm, I'm immensely proud. And you know, I'm very good friends with Adam Grossman, who's the founder of Papa and Barkley. His dad is on the box because that helped his dad who was sadly fighting cancer and ended up losing his life to it. So that's the best way I think for people that are kind of curious to, to enter in and realize this is a wonderful, wonderful herb.

Kannaboom (28:20): Every family in America has stories like this. Well, they will have, once cannabis is more widespread, but I gave my father Papa and Barkley, and he had metastatic prostate cancer, went into the bones and he didn't complain about the pain at all. And I know it's a very painful condition. My wife is taking CBD every day. She broke her neck last year. We went through the whole opioid thing and yeah, got away from those as fast as we could. You don't want to become friends with those, they are short-term acquaintances. She's now taking CBD. And we ran out this week and she noticed, so I ordered some very quickly.

Kyle Kazan (28:56): You've got my email address. I'd love to, you know, put some in your hand. And so, you know, for your wife and you, and, you know, boy, you've had a tough go with your dad and your brother and your wife. So I'm glad that you're friends with the herb because I, I I I'm always handing it out to friends and family and just saying, you know, give this a try.

Kannaboom (29:17): Yeah, absolutely. Kyle, is there anything that we haven't covered that we should?

Kyle Kazan (29:22): Oh, I know, I know my team members that listen to your show are going to say, "Hey, how come you didn't guide them to our store?" So if you don't mind a shameless plug, we would certainly welcome any and all all visitors in Los Angeles. We have the Pottery it's a dispensary up on Venice and LaBrea, in Santa Barbara have one of the two legal dispensaries up there called the Farmacy with an F. And in Berkeley, we have the Farmacy with an F. And like I mentioned, the best entree in is that the Glass House Wellness or the Mama Sue they're both made from a strain that that's called Jellyfish. So it's really, really good. And, you know, I think it's just a, you know, I add it to my healthy lifestyle.

Kannaboom (30:05): We'll definitely look those up. And for people who want to look you up online, is there a place we should go?

Kyle Kazan (30:09): Yeah, they're going to start a Twitter account with me. But if they, if they just go to Glass House, group.com, they'll, they'll see me and my, the spelling of my name and if they're, if they can't sleep and, and CBD and dabbing didn't work, or the edible didn't work and they Google me, there's so much out there that will put them to sleep. It's great for insomnia.

Kannaboom (30:31): Well, great. Thanks so much for taking the time out of your busy day to chat about this. It's really great to get your perspective, and I know our listeners will enjoy this episode.

Kyle Kazan (30:40): You're welcome. Thank you for doing what you do, because it's, it's invaluable that you're spreading the seed. The other one that I forgot was leap LEAP.cc. It's that's worth, you know, that's social justice and that's from, from retired police officers, judges, and DAs. If people are feeling charitable, that's a charity worth worthwhile, and they're out there trying to fight the good fight to make society better.

Kannaboom (31:03): Thank you so much, Kyle.

Kyle Kazan (31:04): Thank you, Tom. Have a lovely day.

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