45 | Stacey Mulvey, Meditating with Cannabis

“We enter these states where we're accessing wisdom that's beyond verbal… But we need to be able to ground that and integrate it down into reality. You know, how do we pull those euphoric states and that understanding into my day to day? And that's where meditation can help.

Stacey Mulvey

Self-care is critical when you're socially isolated. The regular advice is to eat well, exercise and get enough sleep, but what else can you do? We asked Stacey Mulvey, founder of Marijuasana®, and an expert in the integration of cannabis with yoga and other creative practices. An expert in the mind-body connection, she shares her expertise on mindful meditation with cannabis — and some techniques you can use to reduce your stress every day, starting now.

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Kannaboomers (00:00): OK, it's Tom. Welcome back to the Kannaboomers podcast. You know, as we deal with this pandemic, it's obvious that we need to take care of ourselves, exercise, eat right, get enough sleep. But what else can you do to deal with the daily annoyances of not being able to do what you want to do all the time? So my mind went to meditation and I've tried it before and always had a little trouble just trying to sit still. So I wanted to talk with somebody who could help me through that. And I turned to Stacey Mulvey, who has been on the podcast before to talk about yoga and she also knows a lot about meditation. So glad to have her back. And we talk about all things related to meditation. And Stacey leaves us with a short little ritual we can use when we wash our hands. And of course we're, we're all still doing that a lot. We should be. So have a listen. I hope you like to show. Remember to look us up on Apple Podcasts and subscribe, or Google podcasts or come and see us at Kannaboomers dot com with a K.

Kannaboomers (00:53): This is, Let's Talk About Weed, the Kannaboomers Podcast, CBD microdosing and all things related to medical cannabis for baby boomers. From San Diego, here's your host, Thomas J.

Kannaboomers (01:07): It's Tom. Welcome back to the podcast. We've got Stacey Mulvey back. We talked about yoga the first time and this time we're talking about meditation. How are you doing Stacey?

Stacey Mulvey (01:14): Good, Tom, how are you?

Kannaboomers (01:16): Good. We're making our way through this pandemic and as everyone knows, it kind of feels like being under siege at times. So I thought that it might be a good time to visit the topic of meditation and you're a pretty well grounded in that.

Stacey Mulvey (01:31): Absolutely. Yeah. I mean it's, it's always a good time to think about beginning of practice of meditation, but definitely, especially now you know, it's the perfect time to get going with something that can bring you some peace or some call because as we all know, the future is pretty uncertain right now. And there's a lot to be uncomfortable with and afraid of. So, you know, definitely advocating for ways to bring calm into your life.

Kannaboomers (02:03): Right. You know, I send out a weekly newsletter and I keep coming back to the themes of good diet, good sleep, exercise. And I think on top of that, maybe some time every day to ground yourself and just calm down a little.

Stacey Mulvey (02:19): Right? Like those things that you just named are, are basically like forms of self care. Right? And they're, you know, they're basic and I mean, they're good reminders. So it's like, yeah, we need to notice what we eat, we need to make sure we're nourishing our bodies, we need to make sure we're getting rest and, you know, exercise. And then meditation would be another you know, like another tool in your toolbox of self care for, you know, taking care of your consciousness and your mind basically.

Kannaboomers (02:44): Some of us have tried meditation and maybe not had the patience for it. So are there shortcuts to it? Are there aides to using meditation?

Stacey Mulvey (02:54): Well, yes and no. You know, there's, it's, it's tricky because you know, it, once you start meditating, you, you sort of let the idea of shortcuts fall away and you realize there are there are no really real shortcuts to anything. But at the same time you know, we live in a modern age where we can analyze like what meditation is and, and you know, like what the, the objective is to where, you know, we have knowledge and information that maybe, you know, like past you know, people that were meditating in the past like maybe didn't quite realize. And so they started a practice to start meditating. Whereas now you can just download, download an app or you know, attend the class or go to a teacher or smoke cannabis. We'll talk about in just a moment, but it might be helpful to kind of talk about what meditation is just so everybody just in kind of like define it and then kind of go from there.

Stacey Mulvey (03:57): There is, there's meditation, there's the practice of meditating, that's like using techniques and, and instituting a daily practice to basically enter a meditative state. So it's like you're directing your focus on something specific. Maybe it's usually it's the breath or an object or listening to a guided meditation using prayer beads. Like these are all techniques that, you know, sometimes they're ancient, sometimes they're modern, but they're basically techniques used to enter a state of meditation. And that state is really what the, the second thing is, so there's this, there's the practice and then the state of meditation. It's basically, it's a state of consciousness where our brain waves are essentially synchronized and it's this expansive state of awareness. It's calm, it's peaceful, it's, it's, you know, it's this deep concentrate concentration, the state of deep concentration and what do we call them? Attention. So it's also, you know, some spiritual people will attribute, you know, spiritual attributes to that state, like a state of harmony. So just to kind of go off those two things, like okay, there's the practice and then that practice, that practice is used to enter the state.

Kannaboomers (05:33): That makes a lot of sense. And it removes some of the mystique and the unknown about this. And you know, when you talk about brainwaves being synchronized, there's a scientific underpinning to this. It's not this woo woo sort of thing. It's okay, I'm going to train my brain to enter this kind of calm and quiet space.

Stacey Mulvey (05:53): Exactly. And it's good to recognize that because it does take away some of you know, maybe there's a stigma. Maybe someone's like, Oh, I don't know if I want, you know, I'm not, I'm pretty set with my spiritual beliefs. I don't know if I need to add anything. It's, it's, it can, we can approach it from a really practical standpoint and a really practical perspective of just, yes, it's, it's a state where our brainwaves are synchronized, where we can concentrate more clearly and bring awareness to our mental state essentially. Which also kind of brings up the subject of mindfulness is a lot of people, they're like, what's the difference with mindfulness and meditation? So meditation, right? We talked about the state, the meditative state, and then the practice that we use to reach that state, that practice. It actually, once you start to implement a practice into your life of, you know, like with the goal of reaching that state of consciousness, what you're doing is you're cultivating this state of awareness where you're continually like training yourself to go back to again, like, you know, whatever technique you're using.

Stacey Mulvey (07:13): So you're like, okay, I'm coming back to the focus of my breath and then coming back to the focus of my prayer beads or what have you, but doing that, it brings you into this this state where you're sustaining your attention and you're not judging what's coming up. You're able to, you know, just continually observe what's happening. And that is mindfulness. And what happens is, is you learn that in the meditative practice and then you can take that into your life. And so mindfulness is, is when you're, you're kind of calling back that that seat that you were in as you were meditating and you were integrating it with, you know, doing the dishes or you know, talking to your family or like, aha, like you can kind of recall what it was like when you were meditating, let's say, you know, okay, this is how can I, how can I kind of step back? How can I be aware of what's taking place in my mind as I'm going through my day-to-day reality?

Kannaboomers (08:19): That's a really nice articulation of the benefits because you know, a lot of times I've heard, okay, you can't approach meditation with a goal in mind. You had to have to just as you say, accepted as a practice. But when you talk about achieving that state of mindfulness and then leaving and being able to come back to it, there's a lot of practical application for that these days. We get up and there's this day ahead of us and maybe if you're like me, you look at Twitter and in 10 seconds you're just either annoyed or enraged or, or whatever state you're in. But it's not one mindfulness. So making time each day to reach that state. I can see that there. As you say, there are real benefits to it even after you do it.

Stacey Mulvey (09:04): Yeah. There's a, you know, it's funny, like I think a lot of us have this expectation of like, like you're saying like looking at Twitter and which get, I can emphasize with so strongly, but you know, we get into this danger of thinking like, you know, I just wanted to, I want this to, I want to escape this. I want things to be like, I don't want to be angry and irritated anymore. Like, you know, maybe meditation will be like my salvation without certain meditating. So that will happen. And the truth is that, you know, that doesn't, that's not necessarily the case. You know, you will always be human. You'll always be angry. You'll always have, you know, your emotional reactions to things. But what meditation starts to help you with is to gain some space from those emotional reactions and gain, gain, gaining some perspective from the contents of your mind so that you're not controlled by them, where you can, you know, observe those angry reactions from almost, you know, it's, it's weird when you start talking about meditation and that sort of thing. It's like you're almost talking about an alternate version of yourself, which is kind of interesting. And it starts to kind of delve into the spiritual, but it's, you know, it's like you, you can start to observe you, which also, which starts to beg the question of like, well, what's observing, you know, what, how, who is observing my mental state, which, you know, can trigger a whole sort of, you know, a whole, a whole host of questions and you know, as a cause for exploration. But without going into the, I just wanted to emphasize that it's not that it meditation is like a way out or anything like that. It's like your life was still [inaudible]. Emotions will still be present, but you be able to you know, with time and practice, you'll be able to start to get a little bit of space where it's like a lot like that this is where, this is where I feel angry. You know, this account that I'm looking at on Twitter, this is anger. I can identify this, you know, what do I do with this?

Kannaboomers (11:18): Right. I mean, that's very a very useful attribute to have is having an awareness of what your triggers are and then being able to deal with it in a way that is not self-destructive. Okay, I'm triggered. What am I going to do now?

Stacey Mulvey (11:31): Right. I'm not consuming, it didn't ruin my day. You know, perhaps perhaps I was able to see that and say, you know, yes, I'm angry and still be able to move on and, you know, take care of what I need to take care of without that feeling of anger dominating, you know, my entire next hour, for example.

Kannaboomers (11:52): Right? Sometimes you're right to be angry and anger can itself be useful, but be aware of it at least. Yeah. Y.

Stacey Mulvey (12:02): Yeah. Or channel it in a healthy way.

Kannaboomers (12:05): Yeah. Something popped in my head too. I mean does it all, can it also open a window to gratitude, which if you don't acknowledge that you can have a whole constellation of negative feelings, but gratitude can open the door to a lot of positive things.

Stacey Mulvey (12:20): Absolutely. I mean, gratitude, you know, is a state if you can, if you can put your body or you can, you know, kind of call in a feeling of gratitude into your body. It really, it does so much for you on a spiritual plane but also on the physical plane just to calm your nervous system. And it really, it really dissolves any negative feelings like you were saying, like anger and anxiety and fear, you know, doing, there's a practice of anytime you feel like, you know, again, just any of those negative feelings. Like if you're feeling angry, you're notice you're kind of in a state where you're in the maze. As I've, I've heard a call where, you know, you're in this like ruminating state of like blaming and you're in the victim. Everything sucks. They suck, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. If you can kind of catch that, which meditation can help you with to be able to catch it and to be able to notice when it's happening. But if you can, if you can halt that process and turn to thinking of something you're grateful for, it's an immediate acidosis to those negative feelings. And the trick is with that is to try to name five things that you're grateful for each time, like a new, a new set of five every time, which is, it's actually an amazing practice because you know, being challenged to find five things that you're grateful for that you haven't already named, like that in itself kind of arrests, whatever thought process you had going on where you're like, ah, what am I, you know, I have to think, but I haven't already named. But yeah, it's funny that you mentioned that.

Kannaboomers (14:13): I've been there myself where I always default to, 'Oh, it's a beautiful day here in San Diego.' So let's talk about if you're ready to talk about cannabis and how this, how you could fit cannabis into your meditation practice.

Stacey Mulvey (14:26): So cannabis, what it does you know, it's an [inaudible] where it opens us up to this expansive state of awareness along with other psychedelics. And it's, you know, it's opening up the pathways of the brain. So just to kind of go back a little bit, like, so meditation, what you're doing is you're every time we, you know, as we're experiencing life and we're through, you know, we can't help, but our brain starts to try to make sense of reality and things will start to create patterns and various pathways and those pathways get carved out. They're like grooves they get carved out. Especially as we have negative experiences is when we, you know, maybe start to become aware or it's like, Oh, you know, one time something negative happens. And so when something similar happens, like we expect the worst or you know, we go down this this particular group and it gets either reinforce or like we reinforce it because we're expecting the same seeing again and again. And so, you know, our nervous system, while smart is kind of hindered. It hinders us in that way to be open to, you know, something new. With, with cannabis, we're, we're sort of taking a shortcut to that enlightened state where we're saying, okay, you know, we're, we're bypassing these groups that we've already carved out. We're going to go ahead and enter the state where our brain is at a different state of consciousness. We just, you know, altered the state of consciousness and now we've got more pathways that are open and so we can, we can kind of reach that visionary. You know, I don't know if it's a synchronous state of the brain. I don't, I can't speak to that specifically. However, I do know that, you know, that you are opening up several different neural pathways in your brain from, from cannabis and psychedelics.

Stacey Mulvey (16:31): And so, so like I said, you're sort of bypassing that. So it's, you know, it's great to, and you know, if you're, if you're already in by the cannabis, you will, you already know that, you know, you've already kind of reached these, these saints of ecstasy Foria extensiveness you know feelings of love and joy, compassion for your fellow human human beings and animals. You know, we as cannabis users, we were aware of that state. The issue is a little bit, and where meditation helps is that the mind is fragile and we forget. So, you know, we enter these states of really, you know, wisdom where we're accessing wisdom that's beyond verbal, often beyond like what we can verbally articulate. But we, we need to be able to ground that down and integrate it down into reality. You know, how, how do we pull those euphoric states and that understanding into, okay, you know, like, how do I take this into my day to day? And that's where meditation can help. Is it, it kind of translates that, that, that place where you're feeling the truth, where you're feeling that wisdom down into where you can really know, you know, you can, you can really know what your mind like I can, I can now I can act, you know, and interact in my life with that knowledge that I accessed in, in that expansive state.

Kannaboomers (18:15): Right. I guess I hear you saying, you know, we all subjectively know the feeling of, of being high and it's kind of a liberating open feeling, but to be able to maybe pull it down a little and put a wrapper of, I don't know, discipline around it and say, okay, I'm using this as a, as a brain training exercise. So putting a little structure around the experience of, of being high.

Stacey Mulvey (18:39): I guess so I guess structure is a good word for it. I think of it as a practice and it's, I mean, it's an, a practice is structured. The reason I'm sort of hesitant because I'm like, Ugh, like I don't want, I don't want any like negative connotations with that. But it is, you know, it, it is a structure. It is a fact that we have that we don't just exist on this, you know, like your, if few for explain at all times. Unfortunately, you know, like we have to get, we know we have to deal with our, our reality with the, with disease and you know, finances, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So so it is a way to, you know, take that wisdom that we're tapping into when we're high into something more grounded, something more tangible that, you know, if you can take that, that state and use it to, to bring in, fight into your life, you know, into, to where you are at, into how to you know, not necessarily shift what you're doing, but to bring more awareness to how you're living your life.

Kannaboomers (19:49): Well, maybe the, the more trite way of saying it is cannabis can help you with out of the box thinking, but maybe you're enlarging the box. You know, you're, you're not, instead of shrinking the box, you're enlarging it and making room for some other, other aspects.

Stacey Mulvey (20:02): Yeah, that's a great way to put that. Yeah, I really like that. Yeah.

Kannaboomers (20:06): So do you use cannabis in your meditation practice?

Stacey Mulvey (20:09): I do. I do use cannabis regularly, especially for my, my mindful movement practice. So, you know, there are different ways I mentioned before, there are lots of different ways you can meditate and I really encourage people to find what works for them. You know, the most common is to sit and be with your breath and you know, the thing is that can be, that can be pretty tough for the modern humans, which is why that and with that on its own is pretty good. But if you're, you know, if you're diving in, excuse me, and you're like getting ready to start I recommend finding what works best for you because if you find something where you're like, I, I'm just so bored. I can't take this. I'm constantly, you know, interrupted or I, you know, what, if something's not working, find something that does work because there's no, there's no wrong way to meditate. It really is. It really just comes down to stilling the mind and stilling the mind can be achieved through movements or there are a lot of there's a lot of walking meditation that's out there. There's also prayer beads, that's a kinesthetic reinforcement of, of a meditation where you're reciting a mantra and pulling beans through your fingers. So, you know, there's, that's another form of movement. And for me, it's, you know, if you're doing yoga, that's where I really find meditation and I do sit or lie down. Usually it's the end of my practice to really completely relax my body and, you know, really, really enter that sense of stillness. And I do incorporate cannabis into that practice. But I will say, you know, it's not, cannabis is not what you start to find is that you are, you know, you are in fact activating your endocannabinoid system when you move. And when you are meditating, you're, you're activating. You know, your body's ability to balance. And so when you start to find that it's not necessary, but it certainly helps. It's certainly, it's certainly a great tool if you can incorporate it and you, and you know, when you feel like it's positive for you, I say go for it. But it's not, you can, you can reach those states. You know, without cannabis if you so choose.

Kannaboomers (22:44): Oh yeah. Well, you know, a lot of us are kind of cooped up and for me, I like to get out and walk. So you mentioned walking meditation. That's, that's intriguing.

Stacey Mulvey (22:52): Walking meditation I love you can really get into like a beautiful rhythm for me. I mean that for me, that's what a walking meditation is about is, you know, like really like opening up. It's like you really open up your awareness larger. So you kind of taken more and you know, get into a pace and a rhythm with your breath and your, your legs. I mean, it's and you can really just get into it a really beat trance. It's pretty amazing. And especially, you know, if you can do it out in nature, I mean it's, it's almost transcendent in a way, you know, how, how deeply and Oh, just how intimately nature takes you in when you're at, when you're in a meditative translate that and moving through. It's really beautiful. So, yeah, I really, I really do recommend walking meditations.

Kannaboomers (23:49): Yeah, it sounds terrific, especially if you can find a trail where you're not bumping into other people who might not be wearing masks.

Stacey Mulvey (23:59): The trick is, is that is to you know, because you will get interrupted, is that the trick is to use those interruptions as like little alarm bells to bring you back to your, your your focus. So if you can see that and you're like, okay, you know, Oh, that person, what are they doing? Then you can, you know, use that as a reminder to say, okay, wait, what am I looking to come back to the breath? I can stay with my breath, I can keep moving, you know, I can smile and move on. Go right back to it. But yeah.

Kannaboomers (24:35): So like any kind of meditation, the key is be mindful of your breath as you continue to move and just return to that.

Stacey Mulvey (24:43): Right. The key, the key with any meditation is to keep returning, is really, you're setting a duration of time. Let's say you're saying five minutes at where they could be open-ended, but you're really deciding to still the mind and focus so it can, you know, again, it's, it's typically the breath and that because that's something we all do. You know, we're all breathing in and breathing out and the mind will wander. Of course it does. That's what the mind does. But every time you're able to notice like aha, my mind wander, you bring your focus back to your, you're continually like returning to the focus that you've selected for yourself, with that meditation.

Kannaboomers (25:31): Returning to cannabis, do you do edibles? Do you smoke or use a vaporizer or do you pay attention to cultivar? What about sort of the administration of the cannabis?

Stacey Mulvey (25:42): It's so hard to say. For me personally, what works for me personally might not work for another person. I do not ingest edibles. I stick more to inhalation because I, I, I appreciate the ability to time when I'm going to be high and the length of time and I just don't react as well to edibles. So I stick with inhalation and I would recommend people to have experimented with what works for them. Especially if you're going to use cannabis for a meditation practice to stick to a cultivar that you know, doesn't induce anxiety or cause any ill side effects for them. And you know, and just kind of go with that. It's, it's hard to say you know, like these certain cultivars versus other cultivars because it really is, I mean cannabis is by phasic, right? It can affect one person one way and the exact same dose will affect another person, like almost the opposite way. So find what works best for you and, and then go with that.

Kannaboomers (27:06): Right. I mean, we often talk about test and learn and go low and slow. It makes sense for me to hear that inhalation is kind of the preferred method because it's immediate. You don't have to wait and you're able to kind of titrate your dose and get to where you want to be faster than if you're kind of playing around with edibles.

Stacey Mulvey (27:26): Yeah. edibles or I don't know, those are like a class into themselves almost. It's in my mind, Oh, like a different drug just because of the effect that it has on me. But I know some people, you know, for some people that's like their, that's their thing. So I really think it depends on the person and you know, just like the meditation practice will be different. Some people will love to use beads and use Kirbies and that works for them and other people, you know, like myself and like, I need to move. Like that's, you know, sitting there, it's just not my thing. I mean, that actually means I should, I probably should need to get better at sitting there, but I have a hard time doing that unless I've been able to move first. So, you know, so I've got a, I've got to do, I'm going to support my own body, my own consciousness. And so I encourage people to do that with cannabis.

Kannaboomers (28:23): You mentioned apps. There are some apps out there, I guess mainly they're going to be about guided meditation, right?

Stacey Mulvey (28:28): Right. There are some great apps. There's the Sam Harris app, Waking Up. There's also one called Insight Timer that has a lot of like beautiful chimes, it's a, it's a timer. It has a lot of beautiful chimes and it's nice because it tracks your meditation sessions. So that's kind of nice if you, you know, if just for kind of experimenting and having, you know, like something, something really like beautiful and and calm. And then there's the app called Headspace. There are different programs like talks about brain synchronization. There are different programs that involve brain and treatments where they'll play different frequencies in your headphones to, to synchronize your brain. And Life Flow is, is one such program that I've tried that I recommend. So any, you know, any of those apps are actually, you know, and definitely give them a try because it's, you know, it's just another pathway into, you know, calming the nervous system, instilling the mind. The only thing I do say I just like to point out is to really go with your own intuition where like really just trust yourself and what feels best and like the most productive for whatever, you know, whatever you're doing. There's the same. Like if you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him which sounds sort of harsh, but it's like, it really, the meaning is like, you know, you, there's no, there's no guru outside of you, like you be your own guru. So you know, you, you don't, you're not going to need the Buddha. Like you are the Buddha and what you're doing with your meditation practice is you're cultivating that state of Buddhahood for you. And so that, that's that's the most important part as far as like figuring out what technique that you are using to reach that state of meditation. And it's also important to remember that the techniques themselves, like don't ever mistake the technique for the seat that you're reaching. Like, that's not the point. You know, we can kind of like attach to like, okay, this is what I do. And now this is, you know, you kind of forget that like it's that, you know, the, the, the methods that you're using is not actually the point of what the meditation experiences. It's, it's reaching that meditation level and then letting the technique fall away. You know, everyone has their own way of getting there. So it really just throughout really just experiments with it. And one thing I like to like a little thing, I have a little thing if that's okay as a like a mini meditation that people can do. So when our nervous system is when our, when we're in the fight or flight mode of our nervous system and which is happening a lot right now we're in this constant state of hypervigilance, you know, the news keeps streaming in.

Stacey Mulvey (31:43): Although what we now we're at like the beginning of May, the constant stream of headlines. I know the bombardment has slowed a little bit. I mean it's still happening, but it seems like it's like evened out to be like the same level of crisis every time. We're all kind of getting rolled into the state, but the law is like, you know, we're at this like high state of awareness and that's actually a pretty negative state or potentially adverse fate for our body to be in for our health because we're under constant stress, high levels of cortisol. So what we want to do is try to activate our, our paracentesis, sorry, our parasympathetic nervous system. And there are a couple of ways that we can do that. And so what I started to do, it's like a mini meditation to activate these three ways that I'll give you is to do it while, while I'm washing my hands.

Stacey Mulvey (32:43): So it's like this little minute mini meditation and we're doing something we all should be doing and it's like you're taking this little chunk of time for yourself to, to calm down. So what you'll do is like while you're washing your hands, take three slow breaths and what you want to do is emphasize the exhale. So you're inhaling. And then if you really emphasize the exhale by the third one, you're your parasympathetic nervous system where it's no longer fight or flight. It's the opposite. I can't think of the other little term, but it's like the calm, like you're ready. Your, your, your breathing is regulated has been activated. And another way to do that besides the three slow breaths is to look out of your peripheral vision. So you can be focusing on your hands, taking your three slow breaths and start to see out of your peripheral vision.

Stacey Mulvey (33:55): That's another way. So if you're, you know, you're looking at you the same and you're kind of like, you can start to see whatever space you're in around you. You're like seeing objects in the peripheral. And then which is kind of, excuse me, it's a really cool trick to realize like, Oh, if I'm ever in a, excuse me, if I'm ever in a stressful situation, you can start to see in the peripheral and it takes you out of that fight or flight mode. And then the third little tip that will take you out of fight or flight is to start objectively naming objects in your environment. So an example of that would be, you know, my computer is on the desk, the wall is painted white, my water bottle is full of water, right? And you just going through and you're naming these objective facts in your environment and doing that also takes you out of that, that like hyperactive state. So so yeah, so like I think that's a good thing to do while you're washing your hands. Even if you don't feel like you're stressed, just go in and just make sure that you're not these like little like tips. And it's easy because it's, you know, it doesn't involve anything other than like the 20 seconds of you washing your hands. By the time you're done you'll be reset you'll be mentally and emotionally reset and you'll have clean hands, which we all need these days.

Kannaboomers (35:33): That's a nice little ritual. And you know, a way to of interrupt the pattern, like you said, we're all on high alert and the cortisol is coursing through our bodies and yeah, it's, it's a way to just interrupt that flow of negativity and reset. So that's really nice. Thank you.

Stacey Mulvey (35:50): Yeah, of course. And I did also want to mention how another benefit of meditation since we're talking about that another benefit of, of meditation in yoga is that they've actually done studies where a brain region that's involved in emotional processing for for emotions like fear and aversion and, and, and unpleasant stimulate stimuli. Over time, meditation and yoga will actually decrease that section of the brain. So you'll, you're actually sort of reducing your brain's capability of feeling fear, which of course you'll always still be able to feel fear, but you're going to decrease that like overactive part of your brain. So it's less and less in control of, of your reality. And so that's a literal thing.

Kannaboomers (36:51): That's a huge benefit. So you're not not living in that state. So being more intentional, spending time just being quiet and not letting fear drive you. So much.

Stacey Mulvey (37:03): Oh, right. And you know, it's tough though to say like, Oh, you know, go sit down and don't be afraid. You know, it's not understand that that's, you know, I know that that's a lot to take on. When you get into something that's a practice, what's important to remember is the practice. You're going to have stumbled, you're going to have days where you, I are like, I didn't, I just, I was pissed off the whole time I sat there, you know, I did nothing. I didn't feel anything, but I took, I sat there for 10 minutes and you know, was annoyed or was afraid or what have you. Like the key to a practice is to do it again, you know, and just keep at it. And to recognize that there are, that there's a rhythm to be you know, to the, the, the achievements if you will, or the breakthroughs that you make along the practice.

Stacey Mulvey (37:53): So you'll feel like you're getting better. And then you'll have a big dip where it feels like, okay, I'm actually backtracking. It's not working. I don't know. You know, I, I could blow, you know, and then it'll start to bump up a little bit and you'll start to plateau and then you'll bet it'll be higher than it was like the last time where you were sort of plateauing and then you'll reach a point where you dip down again and then you'll come back up and plateau. Then over time with the practice, you know, it wasn't, it's not a like a, a straight line up. It's not like, Oh, all I did is just, you know, improve and everything's great now. It takes, it takes diligence and repetition and practice too to maintain a practice. But in that practice, like once you've established that pattern and you have that pattern, now it's again, I just, it just gives you the structure, gives you the framework to really face, to face your, your day to day, to observe the contents of your mind and to make different choices, you know, with with the different things that life is constantly throwing at you.

Stacey Mulvey (39:05): Right. So yeah, yeah, a nice ritual to return to and having faith that it does benefit you and that you're getting something out of it without loading the expectations on that. You know, you're going to reach every goal faster than ever.

Stacey Mulvey (39:21): You're exactly that you're taking care of yourself. Now if you look at it as like this is what I do to take care of myself and my mind and my emotions. I think that's a really good way to frame it. And yes, remove the expectations because that, that is part of the key of meditation is to start releasing those attachments. Releasing your attachments to the contents of your emotions and your, your thoughts.

Kannaboomers (39:50): Well that's really useful. You've given us a lot of tools. We talked about, you know, the benefits of meditation and about how cannabis might help you in your practice. You talked about some of the apps available and you gave us a nice ritual to try when we're washing our hands that ah, I think I'm, I'm in, I'm definitely in. I'll be doing that. I want to thank you for taking the time and say, is there anything we haven't covered that we should,

Stacey Mulvey (40:16): I think we've covered everything. Thank you, Tom. I really appreciate, you know, being able to do this and speak with you. It's always a pleasure.

Kannaboomers (40:26): Also, if we can tell people where to find you online.

Stacey Mulvey (40:29): Yes, I'm at marijuana. That's MARIJUASANA . Com and really on every social media network you can imagine if you, if you search for Marijuasana and I'm there. And Stacey Mulvey, of course. That's, you know, you can link with me personally, but my brand is Marijuasana.

Kannaboomers (40:54): Okay. Very good. Well, thank you for sharing your expertise. Again, great to have you back on the show and we'll be trying this and maybe we'll have you back on again.

Stacey Mulvey (41:03): I would love that

Kannaboomers (41:05): You've been listening to, let's talk about wheat, the Kannaboomers podcast with Thomas J for more and medicinal cannabis for baby boomers. Visit us at Kannaboomers dot com.

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